. >> how hard was it to get in from egypt? >> a lot of bureaucratic hassles the border is still apparently controlled by the old security services who were under mubarak, close to assad, the caa. it is hard to know how much is bureaucrats try to make life difficult dullish trying to make life difficult, and how much is planned harassment. for the gazans, it is no joke. if you want to go somethinthrouh something like past for control, is like three hours. >> while you're there, another freedom flotilla ship tried to get in from scandinavia. what was the response on land? >> it was a lot of excitement. people are very happy to know that someone knows they are there, and that people are willing to risk something. it is not a joke. they're trying to break through. we had a press conference at the port. to my amazement, it was uncovered in the most reactionary newspaper in israel. but for the people there, it is just a sign that they have not been forgotten, maybe they will get out. >> we're speaking to the first time after preside